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Former CIA Spies Andrew Bustamente & John Kiriakou debate American politics, the 2024 presidential election, Donald Trump, Israel, Russia, privacy laws, and whistleblowers.
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00:00:00 – Guantanamo prisoners plea deal
08:16 – Andrew Bustamante’s & John Kiriakou’s careers
13:20 – American ideals vs. the law
23:53 – How the world really works
27:18 – Framework that governs America
34:31 – Deep state’s election influence
40:58 – Kamala Harris
50:46 – Will Trump abolish the CIA?
01:06:49 – Trump’s shooter
01:19:53 – Venezuela
01:28:08 – Kiriakou’s regret about whistleblowing
01:41:48 – Edward Snowden: criminal or hero?
01:50:07 – How the law interferes with our independence
01:59:23 – Why Kiriakou’s work with Russian state media
02:13:17 – Israeli spies in America
02:24:21 – Hamas is a red herring
02:34:45 – WW3
02:42:25 – Hezbollah
02:47:50 – China
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John Kiriakou is the good guy. Andrew Bustamente is the bad guy. It’s sick that our so-called “government” would send Mr. Kiriakou to prison for working to stop torture. The United States, in many ways, is truly a disgusting and sick country. That’s probably why the United States now has a larger jail and prison population than the prison populations of China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia put together. My favorite part is at 2:03:10: “Fuck the American government! What have they done for me, besides violate my rights?!” 👏👏👏
Go Kiriakou
It's like Get Smart and KAOS. It's so human, fumbling, tragic, political, bureaucratic, competitive, simpering, half-asleep, a sense of ridiculous, individual powerlessness, compartmentalised, lawless, lawful, confining, directionless I bet their software is horrid and takes half an hour to log into!! It sounds like every corporation I've worked at.
The guy w the bush hair goes on these shows and is always full of it. How can anyone take him seriously w the bush and g$y headband. What a vagina
Bustamante is one of the douchebags who has absolutely no soul and thinks it his way or no way. The goverment is supposed to be there to support the us citizens. This guy stands for everything we fear in goverment
I find Andrew Bustamente a postmodernist.
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This is a great conversation , been following andy awhile haven’t met John yet but he is good
Intelligence agencies must work in between the lines of the law with carve outs and such in order to operate as best as possible. Who decides that is a tough question. And even if you had the best people making the decisions. There’s no guarantee people would like those decisions.
I feel people are being seduced into glorifying dissidents and though it needs to always be heard it is not the North Star in all situations on all issues.
Retreating to only being for one’s self once you personally feel sufficiently dejected is probably not a healthy form of patriotism and should not be encouraged cause just like the first thing mentioned everyone has different thresholds.
We can muse on natural law and theology even all day long but without the government acting a silhouette within which we can simulate true freedom; we will be subjected to whatever emerges from the most ambitious, intelligent, and power hungry individuals. All those philosophical assertions may be true in heaven, but not on earth.
This is so much more of a nuanced topic than people want to admit sometimes.
Whistleblowers are traitors, end of discussion. It is altogether wrong to oppose the government of one's residence and it's very unwise to oppose foreign governments. I would hold this belief even if it was not against my faith to oppose my government. For starters, the US Constitution is the finest document ever penned by human beings. It's not perfect but it is mankind's best effort at self rule. The only thing greater is God's Kingdom, ruled from heaven by Christ. Daniel 2:44. If people have an issue with the laws of the land they may appeal to the USSC and all valid complaints, with God's help, will get a hearing. The guy in this broadcast that is working for the Russians is a self righteous ingrate.
The show is great but the Trump ads are repulsive
HES NOT CONVICTED UNTIL SENTENCED YOU DUMB PUNK
YEAH YIU DONE BUSH HEAD! Read the CONSTITUTION!! If the government becomes authoritarian it is OUR DUTY YO ABOLISH AND CREATE A NEW GOVERNMENT
GOD gives us our independence NOT ANY FUCKING GOVERNMENT BRA!!! Yeah I'm back to not liking bush head!!!
JUST THE WAY IT WORKS?? FUCK THAT ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!
WHEN YOU HAVE POLITICIANS AND MEDIA OUTLETS THAT CONSTANTLY SAY SOMEONE IS HITLER AND THEY HEAR IT FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND YOU WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE WHACKOS THAT WILL WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD AND STOP HITLER!!! THE DEMONRATIC PARTY HAS BEEN THE MOST DIVISIVE SAYS THE MOST INFLAMATORY THINGS AND
N O T H I N G HAPPENS!!!!
BUT THEY WENT AGAINST DJT ALL THE F’N TIME
Hey he fucked up and he learned from that BUT do not make any mistake the country will not be in a good position of we have any position at all if this kook Harris!!!! Nobody can say they have any confidence in these two complete idiot morons
Ok was this one of the MANY things they did without his knowledge or order to do???
TOUGHEN UP????? I THINK YOU NEED TO WATCH YOUR MOUTH PODNA!!!
WTF IS GOING ON NOW WITH THE TERRORISTS ALLOWED IN BT THIS ILLEGITIMATE REGIME AS IM TYPING THIS SHIT!!!!
I agree with Andrew
this is one of the best podcasts i have seen in ages, thank you to all involved.
this was the most enjoyable podcast episode because of the debate over the meaning of the US government in the form of a socratic dialogue, with two differing opinions, while both interlocutors remained diplomatic and civil. bravo danny!
Yeah i agree with andy on russian tv. Russia wouldn't care about him if he wasnt a cia agent. I agree with andy. Somethings are sacred. if u take a vow to CIA. Or any federal government. Keep it. I do like john karikou though