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IBM put too many MBA types in management positions. MBA's are not taught to think or innovate. They are the 'wisemen' who never make mistakes! worthless as people who work with people! That said IBM continues to make machines like Summit based on the power 9 chip. They spun off Global foundries which this article barely mentioned.
…and the nasty natzeez used the tech to persecute the poor put-upon dindoojoo's FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. LOL Geezus it never ends.⏳⌚⏲🕰🕥🕗⚡⚡⚡
lol IBM is everywhere when it comes to user face and software, they literally probably most certainly control the enterprise b2b software market. No IBM executive is losing sleep over money.
OS/2 was the second blunder IBM made in regards to Microsoft. The partnership failing directly lead to the creation of Windows NT. If OS/2 NT happened instead it would be a very different world today sure we'd all probably still be using an NT based operating system but it would be IBM branded.
I just want to address what is discussed at 7:04 regarding Gary Kildall. It wasn't so simple as Gary "blowing off" IBM.
Bill Gates referred IBM to Gary because Kildall's CP/M OS was already up and running at the time, while Gates had nothing immediate to offer. Kildall's company, 'Digital Research,' was already very busy 'direct-selling' his OS to buyers up and down the California Coast, and Gary did well enough to own his own helicopter.
This was, in fact, what Kildall was flying when IBM executives showed up on his doorstep, as they did NOT have a specific meeting time. Gary figured he could fly his software to a paying customer and be back home by the time IBM made their housecall.
By the time Kildall walked into his living room, he needed to play peacemaker, as discussions between his wife and business manager, Dorothy and IBM execs were not going well. Probably the straw that broke the camel's back was IBM insisted on secrecy, and permanent rights to Kildall's OS.
Essentially, it would become IBM's own product, and Gary would become a mere footnote. The Kildalls were not confident that the IBM deal would be worth it, but for Bill Gates and Microsoft, it was a different story.
Gates and gang had everything to lose because they had already reached multiple agreements with IBM on other software. All of that would fall apart without an OS, so they got their hands dirty, hired someone to reverse engineer Kildall's product and quickly renamed it "IBM DOS."
'Digital Research' ultimately did not pursue legal action because IBM agreed to offer their PC customers a choice between IBM DOS and Kildall's CP/M. Unfortunately, IBM screwed Gary by charging five times the price for CP/M, and buyers responded accordingly. 💰🖥️☠️
What are you talking about? Every modern non-Apple computer is an IBM computer due to its patents. The term 'PC' refers to IBM technology.
If you want to understand IBM's downfall you need to look no further than the point in the '80s when the IBM name started to stand for "Idiots Become Managers". Been all downhill since then.
I heard from the past those elephant could dance too..
21k
That's why couldn't be thrown through window surface..!
4km
Actually server service need to something as is and as isn't mainframe
Would you do a documentary about the truth of the story of the “Jewish holocaust” in nazi Germany? I honestly don’t believe it happened. I believe Germans were the victims of a holocaust during ww2. I am not saying this out of hatred against any ethnic group. I want to see facts. To date I have never seen the facts that can support the story of the “Jewish holocaust”.
You need to stop with the apple wank fest. Commodore and tandy had a far bigger impact at the time. Is chiluck pedell didn't fix sone of the apple 2 issues they would never have gotten anywhere.
A few points that were left out:
IBM was never a business to consumer company. It was always business to business. This explains why they were not able to adapt to changing markets.
IBM's Deeper Blue was not primitive AI!
At it's time it was the smartest machine it the world that was smarter than chess archmaster.
The misteps of IBM began during the 1980s. They had 80% market share of the world computer market in 1981 which decreased dramatically to 20% by 1993.
I think the succinct answer is, empires always fail, and that's it, empires always fail.
TIL that Bill Gates' mother, Mary, knew John Opel, CEO of IBM, because both served on the national United Way committee. At Mary's request, Opel set up a meeting with Bill Gates, CEO of then-small software firm Microsoft, to discuss the possibility of using PC-DOS for IBM's about-to-be-released PC. Ahem Bill Gates was not a nobody…he was not a rags to riches geek with lots of brain power.
Used to work for those guys…
You completely forgot the POWER architecture! Apple used that extensively in the late 90s for the POWER Series of Macs
The copywriting of dos was a major issue but the real reason the pc sales crashed was, that, to keep the cost down IBM used openly available components, this had the effect of rendering them open to plagiarism as the machine was basically a fruit salad and they didn't own the copyright to any fruit…gates had proprietary software but they neglected to include any proprietary hardware or architecture.
Problem is that IBM quantum computers may be fast, but their qubits are too noisy. Moreover, the qubits errors are too erratic for error mitigation to be applied effectively.
13:20 "..creating a low CO2 fertilizer alternative millions of times faster than a conventional computer".
Twaddle, I'm afraid. That's just someone trying to get funding by appealing to the global warming scam.
Conventional computers don't create low-CO2 fertilizer alternatives. The laws of thermodynamics have a lot to say about, say, fixing Nitrogen from the atmosphere.
Sabine Hossenfelder has done an excellent Youtube video explaining why she thinks quantum computing is going nowhere. But, hey, it gets funding if you can tell a good story.
The z16 Mainframe is the first quantum safe super computer in the world. And the mainframe still is the standard for financial and credit card companies. IBM is ahead of all prototypes trying to make the quantum computer enterprise. When quantum and the Z Mainframe combine, it’s game over! Between that and IBM’s AI efforts, they will be leading a new wave. Don’t count them out!!!
I've mostly felt like these things are on the nose, but not this one. It seems like the piece is conflating 'changed focus away from consumer electronics' with 'stagnation'. That seems like a very dangerous attitude, and it's going to lead me to be a lot more careful about taking anything else I hear on this channel as anything more authoritative than 'one rando's unfounded personal opinion', because I know that these glaring errors of logic are possible. Honestly, if I wanted 'one rando's unfounded personal opinion', I'd watch the news.
Got rejected on a job application at IBM a long time ago. I now work for Google on AI, and have contributed to some important breakthroughs. Like everything IBM does, it's always a bit too late, and a bit too blinded.
You could’ve gone way deeper in the links to nazism as the machines used were custom made for the Nazis and had to be okayed by the American arm of the business and had to have regular maintenance performed by engineers who had to report back to the American side of the business what the issues were so it’s very convenient to just gloss over this but the amount of money generated for IBM in this was massive and a huge reason for their emergence after the war!
I work at IBM and i love it
My takeaway from this, IBM failed to acknowledge Personal computers and their functionality. The firm only invested in mainframes and hasn't been able to adapt to the new era of computers.
Kildall couldn't have been Bill Gates, because he wasn't Bill Gates. His worldview was completely different. He never would have done the deal that Gates did, so CP/M 86 wouldn't have been freely available for clones to use and the whole market would have been totally different. In that alternate timeline, Microsoft would have followed a very different trajectory, but DR wouldn't have become the market hegemon that MS did.
the direct answer to the question is.. its because of apple company and microsoft..
so Microsoft killed the best computer company to ever exist which created countless technologies everyone still uses across the world today because they're so absolutely perfect meanwhile Microsoft blows chunks and calls it an OS
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